Demogame The Originals

Apolyton Demogame: Bananarama

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In order to understand the PAL/Banana conflict, we first have to go back to discuss the relationship between Realms Beyond and Donovan Zoi, the replacement Banana player. Over the course of many months, our teams had worked together and built up a deep-rooted alliance of mutual interest, which would play a critical role in the ending stages of the Demogame. This is a brief summary of those interactions that led up to our effective partnership.

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First of all, the 'original' Banana team was unquestionably the least-talented of any of the six teams. The same individuals had formed a team in the first Civ4 Democracy game at Apolyton (one in which Realms Beyond did not take part), which saw Team Banana become the first team to be eliminated from the game, before even reaching the AD years! That group was back again, and it was apparent from their posts in the General Forum that they were more interested in spamming little banana emoticons than making any real effort to win the game. Their early game was nothing less than a trainwreck, as Team Banana made no attempt to expand and instead sat around in their capital wasting time on useless infrastructure builds. Even worse, the original Banana team simply disappeared a couple months into the game: no one playing the turns, units and workers sitting around unmoved, cities building nothing, no expansion taking place. And remember, this was on the same continent where PAL was easily defeating the Rabbits! With Rabbits losing their conflict and Banana not even playing their turns, PAL was being handed the game on easy street. PAL built their SEVENTH city in a spot right next to Banana's capital, taking advantage of their non-existent opponent. What a disaster!

Our team fortunately noted that Team Banana had dropped out of the game, noticing that no one was logging in to play their turns on CivStats, and requested that a replacement of some kind be found. Eventually, that turned out to be Donovan Zoid, or Donovan for short, who would become the one-man Banana team. Donovan had the unenviable task of inheriting a team that was dead last in every conceivable statistical measure, and one which PAL looked to be able to crush at its leisure. Banana had missed at least five turns when the team was abandoned, and it may have been closer to ten, a crippling blow in the early phases of the game. Here was the situation:

Banana actually had a pretty good starting position, with tons of seafood and stone on hand for production. (This was unquestionably a far superior capital to Airstrip One!) However, the original Banana team had wasted this fertile land, and at the time of the takeover had settled a mere two cities! In 80 turns of play! The new Banana management fortunately was smart enough to rectify this error, settling to the northeast to secure iron and then racing west to grab the remaining good land before PAL could take it. Still, the damage had largely been done already. The jungle area in the center should have been contested between Banana and PAL. Instead, the absent Banana team meant that PAL gained control of nearly the whole thing, including seizing a source of horses that really should have been Banana's. Here's a map from later in the game demonstrating how badly Banana was squeezed by PAL:

Pi-Ramesses was PAL's seventh city, and it effectively cut Banana's territory in half. It stole away gems and horses from what should have been Banana territory. Furthermore, its culture created a wedge (or 'salient' to use a military term) that nearly bisected Banana ground, making attack easy for PAL and defense extremely difficult for Banana. Poor Donovan was in bad, bad shape here. Behind in technology and with extremely poor production, Banana was desperate for allies if it was going to survive.

Donovan has kindly opened up the Banana forum and posted his correspondences with the other teams, making it possible to write this portion of the Demogame's history. At the time that Donovan took over, he lacked contact with any teams other than PAL and the Rabbits, due to the awkward geography of the eastern continent. Donovan tried to reach out to the Rabbits first:

But unfortunately the Rabbits never responded to this email. We at Realms Beyond found the same problem: we would send emails to the Rabbits, and they would never send anything back. While Rabbits should be commended for surviving so long against PAL, their diplomacy in this game was simply awful. Banana and Realms Beyond both wanted closer cooperation with their team, and yet the Rabbits did nothing with our messages... even the ones where we stated we wanted to gift techs to their team! Leaving aside disappointment from things not going well with Rabbits, I don't understand why you would bother playing a game like this if you had no intention of responding to emails.

Next, Donovan happened to find a Templar work boat by coincidence (Templars were not out scouting, as usual) and tried to initiate diplomacy there as well. For a time, things proceeded very nicely:

Cooperation between the Templars and Banana thus got off to a good start. And for about a month, Templars and Banana traded techs freely back and forth, which helped out both teams considerably. Templars and Banana were two of the weakest teams in the game, with no territorial designs on one another, making such cooperation a natural fit. During this period, Donovan traded Alphabet to Templars for Metal Casting, then when Banana discovered Machinery tech by use of a Great Engineer lightbulb, Donovan fronted the tech to Templars in exchange for the promise of future techs in return! That was an extremely generous move, one which the Templars didn't seem to acknowledge with its proper due.

After getting Machinery tech, the Templars simply stopped responding... at all. Donovan states that he had to 'shake them down for the tech they still owed us':

Thus while Donovan did eventually force Theology tech out of Templars (which was in itself still not even close to the value of Machinery tech that Banana had fronted to Templars some five weeks earlier!), it was a difficult and laborious process. The Templars insisted on a promise that Banana not build the Apostolic Palace wonder, which Donovan correctly pointed out in an email back, 'I am a bit surprised that you are now putting conditions on a finalized deal, especially when we granted you Machinery in good faith much earlier than we could have.' The last email exchange between the teams came about as Donovan rightly asked the Templars why they had unilaterally backed out of the three-way tech exchange planned between Banana, Templars, and Realms Beyond:

To which the Templars sent back a stalling non-answer. (Their real answer, of course, was that they were planning a sneak attack against Realms Beyond!) So the diplomacy between Banana and Templars stalled out and went nowhere, Templars making no effort to build friendship from Donovan and merely grabbing whatever advantageous deals they could get. In fact, the Templars did not initiate contact between their teams a single time after early February of 2009! (Every other message was Templars simply responding to a Banana contact.) For the Templars, this was a huge missed opportunity. They could have turned Banana into a strong ally with ease, since they were Banana's first contact with the western continent and Donovan desperately needed assistance. Instead of Aidun claiming that the Templars lost because they were 'stabbed in the back too many times to count', they should simply acknowledge that their team played a lousy diplomatic game. Templars angered and invaded Realms Beyond, and pushed away Team Banana - neither of which was foreordained, and both of which were entirely on their own heads.

Realms Beyond and Banana did not meet until quite late in the game, not until the very end of February. (The game had been going on since May of the previous year.) Banana was the last team that we contacted, although not by our choice; the geography of the map made contact extremely difficult between our teams. At this point in time, the international situation of Realms Beyond was pretty dire. Templars and Imperio were secretly hostile to us, and unwilling to engage in any trades. PAL was in a clear first-place situation, and trading with them was a Prisoner's Dilemma that only put PAL further ahead. Rabbits had been decimated by warfare, and were much too weak to serve as any kind of tech partner. Thus, almost by default, all our hopes rested on establishing friendly relations with Team Banana.

Yet Banana's position was at least as bad as ours, if not worse. Donovan didn't want to trade with PAL either, as their team was a sword dangerously poised above his head, ready to fall at any moment. He had already tried to work with Rabbits and Templars, and neither team was doing much to respond. Banana had no contact with Imperio as yet. Thus Donovan was pretty much out of options as well. He had had to sign a lengthy Non-Aggression Pact with PAL (for 60 turns, lasting until T167) in order to avoid a military conflict that would crush his fledgling civilization. Banana desperately needed to start teching and trading its way up the tree, to be in a position to survive the inevitable PAL attack when that 60 turns was up. A partnership with Realms Beyond was the lifeline out of the trap into which Banana had fallen.

Our negotiations hit it off pretty much right away. We agreed to trade Monarchy, Aesthetics, and Literature to Banana in return for Machinery (when we could trade for it, as Realms Beyond lacked Metal Casting at the moment) and a supply of Banana's iron temporarily. We wanted the iron because Imperio had sabotaged our copper with their spy:

We assured Donovan that we did indeed want to trade for Compass in the future (as we had no intentions of researching it ourselves), that we would make our horses available upon request (which we did, later on), and that we also definitely wanted to sign a Non-Aggression Pact. Our teams would bounce a lot of ideas back and forth, with Banana eventually agreeing to research the bottom part of the tech tree while we researched the top. In the meantime, Donovan kindly provided us with iron for a long period of time (we sent him our copper back in return as soon as it was reconnected), allowing us to train pikemen and give Templars and Imperio a nasty surprise when they invaded!

Unlike the Templars, we talked to Donovan constantly, negotiating one thing or another, and sometimes simply chatting to say hi. We usually sent at least one email per week, and frequently as many as three or four, during a period that stretched for months on end. Over time we built closer and closer trust and friendship, to the point where both teams were eventually sharing knowledge of our military units and planning out joint attacks against targets of mutual interest. Without getting into too much detail, here is a brief listing of the deals that our teams worked out, Realms Beyond on the left and Banana on the right:

* Monarchy + Aesthetics + Literature for Machinery and iron access
* 40 turns Non-Aggression Pact starting T114
* Horseback Riding for Compass
* Construction for Calendar [three-way deal, with the Templars backing out on supplying Drama]
* Non-Aggression Pact upgraded to one with an automatic renewal every 20 turns, unless a team gives notice
* Engineering for Feudalism
* Realms Beyond offers a 1000 beaker credit in return for Banana not trading for Feudalism with Imperio
* Nationalism for Guilds (using up said 1000 beaker credit)
* Agreement for both teams to spend 43 Espionage Points against the other and no more
* Realms Beyond gifts Drama to Banana
* Dyes for incense
* Realms Beyond gifts wines and silks to Banana
* Non-Aggression Pact extended to T200
* Map exchange
* Banana gifts Banking to Realms Beyond (due to accidental trading mixup with Imperio)
* Education for Astronomy
* Printing Press for Chemistry

We loved the fact that Donovan responded so quickly; with the Templars, Imperio, and Rabbits it had always been a game of 'wait and see' if they would EVER answer, much less do so in timely fashion. But Donovan invariably got back to us within 48 hours, and usually a good deal less than that. It was so nice to work with someone wasn't crazy, and would actually sit down and bargain back and forth in rational fashion! Donovan really seemed to value our friendship, being kind enough not to screw us over with Imperio, when he could have backed out of our planned Engineering for Feudalism trade and done a similar deal with their team. Yet we held up our end of every agreement as well, including presenting Donovan with the 1000 beaker credit that we promised him for not making that same trade. Tit for tat. Banana was the only team that ever dealt fairly with us, and we were the only team that dealt fairly with him. Is it any wonder then that our cooperation was so close? (PAL accused our team of recruiting one of our friends to take over for Team Banana, which was an outright lie and a cheap shot on their part. None of us had ever contacted Donovan prior to this Demogame. We worked so closely together because it was in our mutual interest to do so.)

That's not to say that there weren't occasional strains in the relationship. During the war between Realms Beyond and Templars/Imperio, our research rate dropped pretty significantly, and we had to ask Donovan to front us technology on a number of occasions before our side of the deal was ready. Banking tech in particular was a sore spot; we were nowhere close to having our side of the deal finished, and yet we pleaded for Banana to share with us well ahead of time so that we could get some banks going and improve our own research rate. Donovan could have been stingy and refused, yet he did exactly the opposite and was a true ally to our team throughout. In return, we were absolutely planning to give him any and all assistance required to survive the impending PAL/Banana war. True, this was in our own interest - PAL was our main rival to win the game. But it was in Banana's interest too; after all, we could simply sit back and let PAL and Banana weaken each other and delay intervening until PAL had been seriously damage. Still, that was hardly the way to treat an ally, and instead our team was planning on full military intervention as soon as we were finished with Imperio. Thus Banana's assistance was not merely throwing the game to Realms Beyond to spite PAL, but a determined move to ensure the survival of his team. In fact, Donovan quite possibly played the best diplomatic game of anyone, which is really impressive given how he entered the Demogame halfway!

So that brings up back to the present, the tense situation leading up to the outbreak of a PAL/Banana conflict. Everyone knew this was coming, since Banana's long-running NAP with PAL was due to expire on T167. PAL even came sniffing around to our team, wanting to reopen borders and establish trading connections, in an obvious attempt to drive a wedge between our team and Banana. But we weren't falling for it, and MyOtherCar drew up this little image that we passed on to Donovan:

Then all of a sudden everything started happening at once:

In other words, PAL had secured peace with Rabbits upon capturing the city that held iron. With their new iron resources, PAL began whipping out large numbers of cannon and cuirassier, which could only be intended to be used against Banana. However, Donovan told us that he was planning a counter-attack of his own to start at the same time! The eastern continent looked like it was about to explode into a violent frenzy of warfare any turn now.

We asked sunrise to look at the situation and offer some tactical thoughts for Donovan. He drew up this map:

The idea was to use a stack of 2-move units to raze Pi-Ramesses immediately, much as our team would do against Imperio's capital of Mutal. If Pi-Ramesses could be removed, that would expand Banana's cultural borders and provide a much easier front to defend. If Donovan wasn't able to raze that intruding PAL city, we weren't too optimistic about his prospects in the war, as PAL could strike at no less than five different Banana cities at their leisure. Splitting up defenders is the biggest thing of all to avoid in Multiplayer; the main reason we had survived so well against Imperio was the fact that they could only attack us at Cape Town, allowing us to mass defenders in one spot.

This was not a good tactical situation for Banana!

We were chatting pretty regularly by now with Donovan, and a couple of us leaned on him to start producing some military. Like - immediately. Donovan needed units yesterday if he was going to hold out against PAL's monster armies (which included cannon!) We were extremely impressed with the result of our chats:

That changed the Power graph from looking like this:

To looking like this:

Nice work! Now at least Donovan would have a fighting chance. And on the very same turn that we plunged the dagger into Imperio's back, Banana was making their move over in the east. Donovan declared war, and moved on the PAL city of Giza with two-movers, burning it to the ground!

And the mutual 'Mission Accomplished!' messages going back and forth:

The key phrase in this exchange was Donovan's mention of having galleons in the water in the narrow 'Channel' that separated the two continents. We asked Donovan for their exact location, and he told us they were near Omni Point, just to the south of Acre... and also barely a half-dozen tiles away from The Warning. Now Banana had researched Astronomy way back when we both thought the tech would be necessary to preserve our intercontinental trade routes. The collapse of Templars had made that a moot point, however Banana's possession of Astronomy tech opened up some interesting opportunities for use of those galleons. There was an extremely brief window of action before PAL completed their own research into Astronomy. If we could get some striking power on those galleons, and move on PAL's awesome research capital before they were able to build their own upgraded naval units to counter...

I laid out the basis for what would become known as 'Operation NTSC' (anyone get that?) in our forum first:

We would end up changing some of the wording around, however the plan remained essentially the same. Through a variety of messages and chat sessions, we worked with trying to coordinate everything with Donovan, making sure that we would get the ships in position to strike with the maximum number of six units on board, gifting around units as necessary to sort everything out.

In the meantime, our team continued to carve apart the remnants of Imperio's empire in the west:

We captured Acre, razed the lousy filler city of Oxhuitza, and captured Calakmul. Realms Beyond armies, full of dozens of drafted Oromo Warriors along with older maces and newer cuirassiers, pushed towards the final cities of Uxmal, Lakamha, and Mayapan to deliver the finishing blows. For their part, Imperio had simply stopped playing their turns and was leaving their units in place unmoved. We requested a replacement player, or at the very least an AI to sub in for Imperio, yet PAL of all teams actually rejected this notion. It wouldn't have made a tremendous difference in any case; Imperio was doomed regardless, with no sources of metal and their best cities gone before the war even started. At best, they could have put up extra resistance and stretched out the war for a longer period of time. But they were going to lose regardless, as our armed forces were overwhelmingly strong against what Imperio had left.

We were having less success with Donovan, who was not making the tactical moves we suggested. For instance, he gifted us a galleon rather than filling it up with units to attack The Warning! I was tearing my hair out at a few moments, as it seemed that a golden opportunity had passed us by, and Banana was not going to get a chance to attack The Warning at all. And then, seemingly out of the blue, the miraculous invasion went through!!!

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As it turns out, PAL got unbearably sloppy in their tactical maneuvering. Even though they knew that Banana had galleons, and galleons relatively close to their capital, they left a single spearman on defense inside their capital. PAL had visibility on a Banana galleon, and they knew that that ship couldn't reach The Warning in one turn. However, what they didn't know was that there was a SECOND galleon hidden just out of sight, and that ship was the one that dealt the deadly blow. (PAL accused Donovan of an illegal double-move in the General Forum, but they were wrong. There were two ships in the Channel, not one.) Thus even though we screwed up our cooperation on this plan, it didn't matter because Donovan attacked with a mace and a crossbow, taking and razing the PAL capital!!!

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It must have been quite a shock for PAL's players, to see their research center go down in flames just like that. To be honest, I don't think they ever quite took Banana seriously, considering the pitiful state in which Banana had been when Donovan assumed the reigns. He did an absolutely unbelievable job of resurrecting that civilization, to the point where it was Banana ships burning down PAL cities at the outset of this tense war. Far better than anything that the Templars, Rabbits, or Imperio had ever managed to pull off!

Nevertheless, PAL was damaged but hardly out of the game. PAL still had a significant tech lead (five techs: Printing Press, Chemistry, Steel, Economics, and Liberalism) over anyone else in the game. They also had a gigantic army which had not seen combat as yet; PAL's army was only slightly less powerful than our own Realms Beyond one, and once it moved into Banana territory cities were definitely going to fall. Donovan knew this, and yet he still attacked out anyway, since razing The Warning and Giza were his best chances of surviving longterm, even if he lost units in the short term. PAL's Heroic Epic city of Memphis was pumping out cuirassiers like no tomorrow, and it was not going to be easy trimming those forces down to size.

Anyway, Realms Beyond was now the easy favorite to win the Demogame, but the game had hardly reached a definitive conclusion. PAL's own fall from 'shoo-in to win the game' status a mere two dozen turns earlier proved how unpredictable things could get. We at Realms Beyond continued racing ahead with our plans to finish off Imperio, so that we could then get some modern naval ships into the Channel and start taking the fight to PAL's home cities. If PAL could eliminate or cripple Banana before we could rush to their aid, the game might still be in the balance.

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